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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006 edited
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    I recently came across one fine article by Andy Hagans regarding SEO and accessibily. He states that in the context something completely logic: making a website usable for people with disabilities will, in term, make it more accesible to search engine robots.

    I considered it quite useful to keep alts to my images and titles to my links, altough i used to ignore this in past developing.

    However, I seem to have a reverse effect on my project in google (or so it appears to me) After adding all those mentioned, a site-map fed to it via Google sitemaps, and more than a month of waiting, I still don't appear anywhere in the list. Moreso, googlemaps keeps telling me: "sitemap last downloaded ## hour ago". I know I have used ONLY white-hat SEO, but I fear i got banned by excessive use of the same alt on an entire gallery of images. Is this the case or am I just being paranoic.

    If anyone has had simmilar experiences with google please point out some suggestions
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      CommentAuthorSpookyET
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006
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    What about other search engines?
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006
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    no result whatsoever.

    Using the old methods i considered reliable i got websites up in the top 15 results, and smack in the top10 searching by the webiste name.

    however, this project seems to have been stranded out on an island
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      CommentAuthornifkin
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006
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    and more than a month of waiting

    just one? starting to show up in search engine rankings (especially for competitive terms) can take six months or more.

    is there anyplace else linking TO your site? if the spiders can't find links to it they'll never know it's there.
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006
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    at least one that i know of.

    even if i have fed a valid sitemap to google sitemaps i still have to have external links?
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      CommentAuthornifkin
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006
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    even if i have fed a valid sitemap to google sitemaps i still have to have external links?

    it's one of the most heavilly weighted things when it comes to determining pagerank which plays a role in your search results ranking.
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006
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    so you're saying: "get more links to the website, a nice big ol' bag of pocorn and wait"
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      CommentAuthornifkin
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2006
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    well, that is a part of it. what are you googling for that you think should bring the site up?

    the sheer variety of stuff that google bases it's results on makes it a tough nut to crack for anything that's going to be really common in a short period of time.
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    If your site has links that go somewhere, content related to your site, and traffic, it will get indexed by google ASAP.

    There really isn't a trick since google and many other SEs ignore <meta> tags.
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2006 edited
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    I don't really agree on that one, nick1presta. I know meta's have gone a long way down the line of importance but I wouldn't go so far as 'ignored'.

    I'll give you a simple example of their relation to google: I have two sites configured for google and two rules of robot visit frequecy determined by meta: one recalls the search bot every week, the other one does the same thing monthly, as required (statistics studied over the year). This to me is an indication that google still reads my metas, but of course I do not rely on keywords and description metas for ranking, as these have long been outdated by SE & website strategy

    [nifkin] form what it appears i am actually doomed with my latest site launched online. The document you pointed out has the answer to my question. Excessive repetiotion of keywords in alts and titles is a good kick in the behind to sticking me on 'the radar'. For the website I started this discussion only about 70-80 repetition in alts and titles where in order. Following the suggesions in the article I devised a script to replace alts on about 600 images in my latest site. I am a sure gonner with this lousy method.

    I do agree that alts are in order for goog SEO and accessibility, but when the number of details needed to be completed, don't rely on the same keywords for entire (large) photo galleries. My bad. I will learn from my mistakes.
    • CommentAuthorNick Presta
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2006
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    "It does not support META or ALT tags" - taken from your last provided link. It is really getting annoying. I really don't know what can base my knowledge on anymore. This whole thing started out my desire to how ALTs improve my google statistic, now I am faced with the question if ALTs DO improve anyting.
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2006
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    PS: i got two bad links so far out of your submissions.
    ie: check second link from the above list.
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    I updated the link. Apparently, using a link with the word meta in it causes a link to your profile.

    ~_~
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2006
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    see, metas still live ;)
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    I didn't say METAs were done for forever. Some SEs use them, some done. AFAIK, Google does not (and your problem was with Google).
    • CommentAuthorspyyddir
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2006
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    Nick, its not a link with the word meta, its typing / and then me. I've seen two other links here get messed up by that. Your link had "/ meta". I think its a throwback to IRC.
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      CommentAuthornifkin
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2006 edited
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    the /me thing only happens if you're posting your comment as text.
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    How long this website is up?
    What is the URL?

    Cheers, DS
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2006 edited
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    the site mentioned as the issue of this discussion is activart.cassysdesign.ro and it has been online for more than a month
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      CommentAuthornifkin
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2006
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    I don't really agree on that one, nick1presta. I know meta's have gone a long way down the line of importance but I wouldn't go so far as 'ignored'.

    At least from other people I've heard that Dublin Core Metadata Initiative META tags still do get referenced by some spiders and the like. If nothing else it can't hurt to give them a shot.
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    Oh, I agree. It never hurts to give them a shot but don't be surprised if you don't get indexed any faster just because you have META tags.
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      CommentAuthortsk
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2006
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    just a fast update people. My website has just come in the google list. hurray for me, yet I see no indication that title= and alt= have helped. Images with specific alts are nowhere to be found in google.

    Overall opinion. alt and title DO NOT improve google results, yet they are NOT cause for sand-boxing.

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